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  • Taxpayers Guide to LLCs and S Corps

    • Introduction

      • About the Author
      • Progressive Updates
      • Introduction Disclaimer
      • Shameless Self-Promotion
      • Book Introduction
      • Quick Reference 2023
      • Quick Reference 2024
      • Quick Reference 2025
    • Chap 1 - Business Entities, LLCs

      • Basic Business Entities
      • Sole Proprietorship
      • Single Member Limited Liability Company
      • Multi-Member Limited Liability Company
      • Partnerships
      • Being Considered a Passive Business Owner
      • Rental Partnerships
      • C Corporations
      • Personal Service Corporation
      • Professional Corporations and LLCs
      • S Corporations
      • Section 199A Qualified Business Income Tax Deduction
      • S Corp Versus LLC
      • LLC Popularity (Hype)
      • Formation of an LLC or S Corp
      • Nevada Fallacy of an LLC (or Delaware or Wyoming!)
    • Chap 2 - Customized Entity Structures

      • Your Spouse as a Partner (Happy Happy Joy Joy)
      • Family Partners
      • Real Estate Holding Company and Operating Company
      • Parent-Child Arrangement (Income Flows "Up")
      • Parent-Child Arrangement (Income Flows "Down")
      • Multi-Member LLC That Issues Invoices
      • Things to Work Through with Multiple Entities
      • Recap of Benefits with Multiple Entities
      • State Apportionment with Multiple Entities
      • California Multi-Member LLC S Corp Twist
      • C Corporation as Mothership
      • Holding Company versus Management Company
      • Pure LLC Holding Company
      • Economic versus Equity Interests
      • Structuring Deals with Angel Investors
      • ESOPs and S Corporations
      • Another Employee Ownership Situation
      • Medical C Corp
      • Fleischer Tax Court Case
      • Joint Ventures
      • Loans or Capital Injections
      • Using a Trust in Your Formation Considerations
      • Operating Agreements
      • Exit Plans, Business Succession
      • Liability Protection Fallacy of an LLC
      • Charging Orders
      • Using a Self-Directed IRA to Buy a Rental, Start A Business
    • Chap 3 - S Corporation Benefits

      • Avoiding or Reducing Self-Employment SE Taxes
      • Tax Savings with Health Insurance
      • S Corp Hard Money Facts, Net Savings
      • Ancillary Benefits with S Corporations
      • Officer Compensation with Solo 401k Plan Deferral
      • W-2 Converted to 1099
      • Net Investment Income, Medicare Surtax and S Corps
      • Being a Passive Business Owner
      • Three Types of Income
    • Chap 4 - The 185 Reasons to Not Have an S Corp or LLC

      • Chapter 4 Introduction
      • Additional Accounting Costs
      • Additional Payroll Taxes
      • SEP IRA Limitations
      • Trapped Assets
      • Distributing Profits, Multiple Owners
      • Other W-2 Income
      • State Business Taxes (Not Just Income Taxes)
      • Deducting Losses, Trapped Cash
      • Distributions in Excess of Shareholder Basis
      • Stock Classes
      • Vesting and Expanding Ownership
      • Bad Loans to the S Corp
      • Social Security Basis
      • Payroll Taxes on Children
      • C Corp to S Corp Problems
      • Going Concern
      • Recap of S Corp Downsides
      • Growing Business, Debt Service
    • Chap 5 - State Nexus Problems

      • Chapter 5 Introduction
      • Chapter 5 Disclaimer
      • Wayfair Case Part 1
      • Nexus Theory
      • Constitutional and Legislative Standards
      • Sales and Use Tax, Income Tax
      • Physical and Economic Presence, Nexus Attached
      • Wayfair Case Part 2
      • Services and Tangible Personal Property (TPP)
      • Costs of Performance, Market-Based Approach
      • Allocation and Throwback
      • FBA, Drop Shipments, Trailing Nexus Revisited
      • Recap of State Tax Issues
      • State Tax Issues and Nexus
    • Chap 6 - S Corporation Election

      • Formation (Election) of an S-Corp
      • Electing S-Corp Filing Status, Retroactive for 2025
      • Another Option, Dormant S Corp
      • Missing Payroll, Now What
      • Mid-Year Payroll
      • Nuts and Bolts of the S Corp Election
      • Ineffective S Corp Elections
      • S Corp Equity Section
      • Terminating S Corp Election
      • Distributed Assets
      • 5 Year Rule
      • Life Cycle of an S Corporation
    • Chap 7 - Section 199A Deduction Analysis

      • Section 199A S Corp Considerations
      • Calculating the Qualified Business Income Deduction
      • Section 199A Defining Terms
      • Specified Service Trade or Business (SSTB) Definitions
      • Trade or Business of Performing Services as an Employee
      • Services or Property Provided to an SSTB
      • Section 199A Deduction Decision Tree
      • Section 199A Reasonable Compensation
      • Section 199A Pass-Thru Salary Optimization
      • Cost of Increasing Shareholder Salary
      • Section 199A Rental Property Deduction
      • Negative Qualified Business Income
      • Qualified Property Anti-Abuse
      • Aggregation of Multiple Businesses
      • Section 199A W-2 Safe Harbors
      • Additional Section 199A Reporting on K-1
      • Section 199A Frequently Asked Questions
    • Chap 8 - Section 199A Examples and Comparisons

      • S Corp Section 199A Deduction Examples
      • Section 199A Side by Side Comparisons
      • Section 199A Basic Comparisons
      • Section 199A Health Insurance Comparison
      • Section 199A 200k Comparison
      • Section 199A 250k Comparison
      • Section 199A Specified Service Business Comparison Part 1
      • Section 199A Specified Service Business Comparison Part 2
      • Section 199A Phaseout
      • Section 199A Recap
      • Section 199A Actual Tax Returns Comparison
    • Chap 9 - Reasonable Shareholder Salary

      • Chapter 9 Introduction
      • IRS S Corp Stats
      • Reasonable S Corp Salary Theory
      • IRS Revenue Rulings and Fact Sheet 2008-25
      • Tax Court Cases for Reasonable Salary
      • Risk Analysis to Reasonable Shareholder Salary
      • Reasonable Salary Labor Data
      • Assembled Workforce or Developed Process Effect
      • RCReports
      • W-2 Converted to 1099 Reasonable Salary
      • S Corp Salary Starting Point
      • Multiple Shareholders Payroll Split
      • Additional S Corp Salary Considerations
      • Reasonable Salary Recap
    • Chap 10 - Operating Your S Corp

      • Chapter 10 Introduction
      • Costs of Operating an S Corp
      • New S Corp Puppy, What Do I Do Now
      • Accounting Method
      • 1099-NEC Issued to Your SSN
      • Take Money Out of the S Corp
      • Processing S Corp Payroll
      • Minimum Payroll with December Bonus
      • Taking Shareholder Distributions
      • Reclassify Shareholder Distributions
      • Accountable Plan Expense Reimbursements
      • Accountable Plan Requirements
      • Shareholder Distributions as Reimbursements
      • S Corp Tax Return Preparation
      • Distributions in Excess of Basis
      • Minimize Tax or Maximize Value (Economic Benefit)
      • Tracking Fringe Benefits
      • Other Tricks of the Trade with S Corps
      • Adding Your Spouse to Payroll
      • Chap 10 - Comingling of Money
    • Chap 11 - Tax Deductions, Fringe Benefits

      • Chapter 11 Introduction
      • Four Basics to Warm Up To
      • Section 199A Deductions – Pass Through Tax Breaks
      • 185 Business Deductions You Cannot Take
      • Depreciation
      • Small Business Tax Deductions Themes
      • Value of a Business Tax Deduction
      • Deductions the IRS Cannot Stand
      • Automobiles and LLCs, S Corps
      • Business Owned Automobile
      • Section 179 and Bonus Depreciation
      • You Own the Automobile, Get Reimbursed By The Mile
      • You Own the Automobile, Take Mileage Deduction
      • You Own the Automobile, Lease Back to Your Company
      • Automobile Decision Tree
      • Home Office Deduction
      • Tax-Free Rental of Your Home
      • Tax Home
      • Business Travel Deduction
      • Deducting Business Meals
      • Sutter Rule
      • Cohan Rule
      • Capital Leases versus Operating Leases
      • Putting Your Kids on the Payroll
      • Educational Assistance with an S-Corp - Section 127
      • Summary of Small Business Tax Deductions
      • Business Tax Return Preparation
      • Comingling of Money
      • Reducing Taxes
    • Chap 12 - Retirement Planning

      • Retirement Planning Within Your Small Business
      • Self Employed Retirement Plan Basics
      • Retirement Questions to Ask
      • Tax Savings and Tax Deferrals
      • Using a 401k in Your Small Business Retirement Options
      • The Owners-Only 401k Plan
      • Having Staff with a Solo 401k Plan
      • Self-Directed 401k Plans
      • Company-Sponsored 401k Plan
      • 401k Plan Safe Harbor Provision
      • Roth 401k Plans
      • Roth 401k Versus Traditional 401k Considerations
      • Two 401k Plans
      • Rolling Old 401k Plans or IRAs into Your Small Business 401k Plan
      • 401k Loans and Life Insurance
      • 401k Plans and Roth IRA Conversions
      • Turbo Charged 401k Plans
      • SIMPLE 401k
      • SEP IRA
      • SEP IRA, Roth IRAs and the Roth Conversion
      • Controlled Groups
      • Owner Only 401k Plans in MMLLC Environment
      • Spousal Attribution and Controlled Groups
      • Non-Qualified Deferred Compensation Plan
      • Exotic Stuff
      • Expatriates or Expat Tax Deferral Planning
      • Small Business Retirement Planning Recap
    • Epilogue

      • WCG Fee Structure
      • More About WCG
      • Consultative Approach
      • Core Competencies
      • No BS
      • Expectations of Our Clients
      • Final Words
    • Chap xx - Health Care

      • Disclosure and Updates
      • Gaming the HSA System
      • Health Care Summary
      • Health Savings Accounts (HSAs)
      • Long-Term Care
      • Multiple Employees
      • One Person Show or Husband-Wife Team, S Corporation
      • Section 105 Health Reimbursement Arrangement (HRA)
      • Section 125 Cafeteria Plans and Flex Spending (FSA)
      • Sole Proprietors and Single Member LLCs
    • Chap yy - Business Valuations, Sale, Exit Planning

      • Business Valuation Techniques
      • Buy-Sell Agreements
      • Deal Structure
      • Debt Service
      • Exit Plans, Succession
      • Purchase Price Allocation
    • Chap zz - Other S Corp Thoughts

      • 1099 Income as Other Income, No Self-Employment (SE) Taxes
      • Audit Rates and Risks with an S-Corp
      • Recap of S-Corps
      • Rental Losses with an S-Corp
      • Rentals Owned by an LLC Fallacy
      • W-2 or 1099-MISC That Is The Question
  • Expat and Expatriate KB

    • Expat FAQs

      • Are there any downsides to claiming the foreign earned income exclusion?
      • Are there exceptions to the bona fide residence or physical presence tests?
      • As an ExPat, do I need to file a State tax return?
      • Can I deduct mortgage interest paid on my foreign home?
      • Do I have to pass the same test each year?
      • Does voting through an absentee ballot mess up my bona fide foreign residency?
      • How do fluctuating currency values affect my taxes?
      • How do I handle my foreign rental property?
      • How do I qualify for the foreign earned income exclusion?
      • How do moving expenses affect my exclusion?
      • How do partial years work with the foreign earned income exclusion?
      • How do tax treaties affect my ExPat situation?
      • How does the foreign housing exclusion or deduction work?
      • If I am a self-employed ExPat, what taxes am I responsible for?
      • If I don't qualify for the housing deduction, can I still deduct expenses?
      • May I still make contributions to my IRA as an ExPat?
      • What amount can I deduct for foreign earned income exclusion?
      • What happens if my host country has a form of social security?
      • What is a tax home or abode, and how do they relate to each other?
      • What is considered foreign earned income?
      • What is foreign earned income exclusion?
      • What is the bona fide residence test?
      • What is the difference between foreign tax credit and deduction?
      • What is the physical presence test?
  • Rental Property KB

    • Rentals FAQs

      • Can I claim my residence as a rental, sell it for a loss and deduct the loss?
      • Can I deduct internet expenses?
      • Can I deduct my cell phone charges?
      • Can I deduct the taxes associated with public improvements?
      • Can I rent out half a duplex or a room in my house?
      • Do I need receipts for my rental expenses?
      • Do rental properties offer good tax sheltering?
      • How are repairs and improvements different?
      • How do I handle my foreign rental property?
      • How do passive loss limitations affect me?
      • I purchased a rental property last year. What closing costs can I deduct?
      • If I don't have any rental income can I still claim a loss?
      • If I move back into my rental, how does that work?
      • If my employer provides a cell phone, is that income?
      • Is depreciating my rental a good thing?
      • My rental sale was a huge loss. What can I do?
      • Rentals Owned by an LLC Fallacy
      • What are tax issues with an LLC owning a rental property?
      • What are the exceptions to rental activities?
      • What are the rules on a home office deduction?
      • What is active participation versus material participation?
      • What is considered rental income?
      • What rental property expenses can I deduct?
    • Real Estate Pros

      • Are rental activities always passive activities?
      • Are there downsides to the real estate professional designation?
      • Are there specific material participation tests for real estate professionals?
      • Do I need to group my rental activities together?
      • How do I record the hours spent as a real estate professional?
      • If I meet the 750-hour test, do I also meet the 500-hour material participation test?
      • What activities count and don't count?
      • What are some of the IRS tricks to deny my real estate professional designation?
      • What are some of the tax court cases for real estate professionals?
      • What are the general tests for material participation?
      • What is active participation versus material participation?
      • What is the definition of real estate professional?
      • Why designate myself as a real estate professional?
  • Other Tax Information KB

    • Audits

      • Can I ignore an IRS notice or claim I never received it?
      • How can I pay my taxes or my notice of deficiency?
      • How can I prepare for my face to face or interview field audit?
      • How do I appeal the collections of unpaid taxes?
      • How does a joint return get handled during an audit?
      • How does bankruptcy affect my unpaid taxes?
      • How much is interest and penalty on taxes owed?
      • How should I respond to an IRS notice or letter?
      • What are my chances of being audited?
      • What are some of the types of IRS notices and letters?
      • What can the IRS do if I don't pay my taxes- what is the collections process?
      • What causes or triggers an IRS audit?
      • What if I cannot pay my taxes?
      • What IRS publications deal with audits?
      • What is the appeals process?
      • What is the period of limitations for an audit?
      • What types of audits could I face?
      • Who can be with me at my IRS audit or conference?
    • Charitable Contributions

      • Are there ways to earmark money for an individual?
      • Do I need receipts for my donations?
      • Does deducting charitable contributions cause an audit?
      • How do I determine the value of my donation?
      • What are some of the donations I can deduct?
      • What are some other charitable deductions?
      • What are the limits of my donations?
      • Who qualifies as a charity?
      • Why give to charities?
    • Education, Tuition Deductions

      • Are Educational Savings Accounts Worth It
      • Are There Tax Breaks for Going to College
      • Are There Tax Savings When My Employer Pays for My Education
      • Can I deduct the cost of sports, games or hobbies while in college?
      • IRAs and Savings Bonds To Help With Higher Education Costs
      • What College Expenses Can I Deduct From My Income
      • What constitutes a full-time student for tax purposes?
    • Homes and Real Estate FAQs

      • Can I deduct the loss on my primary residence?
      • Can I deduct the taxes associated with public improvements?
      • Can I exclude the gain on my home sale?
      • How does a Federal Disaster affect my casualty loss?
      • My home was destroyed- what deduction can I take? How do casualty losses work?
      • The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act and Debt Cancellation
      • What are the rules on a home office deduction?
      • What is Cancellation of Debt? Is it taxable income?
    • Medical, Health Insurance

      • What are qualified medical expenses?
      • Why can't I deduct health insurance premiums?
    • Mortgages, Bad Debts

      • Can I deduct a bad debt on my tax return?
      • Can I deduct the loss on my primary residence?
      • Is cancellation of debt always taxable?
      • The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act and Debt Cancellation
      • What is Cancellation of Debt? Is it taxable income?
    • Recordkeeping

      • Are there specific records I need to keep?
      • Do I need receipts for my expenses?
      • How does proper recordkeeping affect my audit results?
      • How long do I have to keep records?
      • How should I maintain my tax records?
      • What are the requirements for mileage records?
      • Why should I keep tax records?
    • General Tax Questions

      • Can I deduct internet expenses?
      • Can I deduct my cell phone charges?
      • If my employer provides a cell phone, is that income?
      • Tax Brackets Misconceptions- Should I earn more money?
      • What is the marriage penalty and how does it affect our tax returns?
  • Small Business KB

    • Small Biz FAQs

      • Hobby Versus Business

        • 3 out of 5 Test
        • Hobby Versus Business Testing
        • Philosophy of Business Losses
        • Private Track Coach Deducts Business Losses for Eight Years, Court Says OK
        • WCG (formerly Watson CPA Group) Philosophy on Hobby Losses
      • Independent Contractors

        • Behavioral Control
        • Colorado's Criteria for Contractor Status
        • Employee or Independent Contractor
        • Employee or Independent Contractor Status
        • Financial Control
        • IRS Determination, Form SS-8
        • Misclassified Workers Can File Social Security Tax Form
        • Salespeople As Contractors
        • Sample Response to CO Unemployment Claim
        • Statutory Employee and NonEmployees
        • Tax Court's Checklist
        • Type of Relationship
      • LLC and S-Corps (superseded)

        • As a one-person show, should I still form an LLC? An S-Corp?
        • Automobiles and LLCs, S Corps (superseded)
        • Can I call my 1099 other income which avoids employment taxes?
        • Determining the S-Corp Payroll Amount
        • Estimated Tax Payments, Withholdings Issues for an S-Corp
        • How do I convert my LLC to an S-Corp?
        • How does an LLC or S-Corp's income affect my taxes?
        • If the S-Corp taxation is what I ultimately want, should I form an LLC or C-Corp?
        • Is there a way to avoid Self-Employment tax?
        • Should I convert my LLC to an S-Corp (Sub-S Election)?
        • Should I form an LLC with my spouse?
        • The S-Corp Grind, Operational Hassles
        • The Zero Dollar Paycheck
        • What are the operational hassles of an S-Corp LLC?
        • What is an Accountable Plan?
        • The Money Trail for S-Corp Elections
        • 185 Reasons NOT to S-Corp, Downsides to S-Corp Election
      • Can I call my 1099 other income which avoids employment taxes?
      • Can I deduct country club dues as a business expense?
      • Can I deduct internet expenses?
      • Can I deduct my cell phone charges?
      • Health Care Expenses, Premiums, HRAs, HSAs - Section 105
      • Hobby Versus Business Article
      • How can I avoid or reduce Self-Employment (SE) taxes?
      • If I am a self-employed ExPat, what taxes am I responsible for?
      • If my employer provides a cell phone, is that income?
      • LLCs and S-Corps
      • Retirement Planning within an S-Corp
      • S-Corp Hard Money Facts, Net Savings
      • Turn Your Vacation Into a Tax Write Off
      • What are tax issues with an LLC owning a rental property?
      • What are the rules on a home office deduction?
      • What business or corporate expenses can I deduct?
      • What do I do with a 1099-K?
      • What is the difference between a hobby and a business?
      • What is the difference between an LLC, S-Corp and a C-Corp?
      • Why can't I deduct health insurance premiums?
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You Own the Automobile, Lease Back to Your Company

By Jason Watson, CPA
Posted Saturday, November 4, 2023

This might take a bit of getting used to so we will start with a similar situation. If you owned and operated a landscaping business, you might own the heavy equipment personally, and lease it back to the business. This is very common, and is considered a self-rental. Please refer to Chapter 3 (Three Types of Income) to refresh yourself on self-rentals and the handling of the income. As you know, self-rentals are perfectly fine as long as the lease rates being charged are considered market rates and cannot be considered remuneration of services provided (i.e., owner compensation).

The same thing can be accomplished with your automobile. You would lease a car that you own back to your company. This is not considered the same as the company leasing the car from a dealer. This is creating a self-rental arrangement between you and your business. And why would you want to do that?

The usual reason- it might prove to be a better tax position since you are reducing the income of your LLC which is subjected to self-employment taxes. Since we also use the ability to pay salaries as one of components in determining a reasonable salary for you as a shareholder in an S Corp, the leaseback option might influence a small reduction in your salary.

The income tax angle is a wash. A big table is coming up. First, let’s talk about some basic assumptions.

Keep in mind- this arrangement will benefit an LLC through the reduction of self-employment taxes much more than an S corporation. You might be asking why not just elect S corporation status to solve your SE tax troubles? Perhaps your LLC is not generating the $35,000 in net business income after expenses to warrant the S Corp election.

Every year, AAA publishes the annual cost of driving an automobile, and the costs are broken down by small sedan, medium sedan, large sedan, sport utility vehicle and a minivan. From there, costs are established for 10,000 miles, 15,000 miles and 20,000 miles.

Small sedans are Chevy Cruze, Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra and Toyota Corolla. Medium sedans are Chevy Impala, Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima and Toyota Camry. No numbers for a Porsche 911. Sorry. We’re sure the operating costs aren’t too bad, and we’ve recently heard that 911s never depreciate and the service checks are free.

There are certain fixed costs such as insurance, registrations and financing. There are certain variable expenses such as gas, tires and maintenance. Then there are some quasi-variable expenses, namely depreciation. Depreciation accelerates as the mileage per year increases. Think about Kelly Blue Book, Edmund’s or lease rates- the reduction in value due to mileage gets more severe as the mileage exceeds 15,000. Sort of a curvilinear equation.

The lease rate needs some discussion too. If you have a newer, more expensive automobile, you might be able to fetch $600 per month. If you have an older car or a car that is more economical, a market lease rate might be $400. It a challenge to determine the market rate. Is it the rate a rental car agency would charge such as Hertz or Avis? Is it the rate a dealer would charge? Something in the middle? Don’t forget the IRS Publication 15-B (Employer’s Tax Guide to Fringe Benefits) where the lease value is determined by the IRS based on the value of the car. The benefit of ambiguity is the ability to pitch an argument on most numbers.

More tables. More numbers. Yes, tables are only meaningful to the table designer yet consider the following in a non S Corp situation-

Business Miles 5,000 10,000 11,875 15,000 20,000
Personal Miles 5,000 5,000 5,000 5,000 5,000
Total Miles 10,000 15,000 16,875 20,000 25,000
AAA 2014 Costs for Small Sedan 0.597 0.464 0.440 0.397 0.360
less Depreciation, Finance 0.288 0.204 0.181 0.161 0.106
Actual Operating Costs 0.309 0.260 0.259 0.236 0.254
Mileage Rate Method
2015 IRS Mileage Rate 0.575 0.575 0.575 0.575 0.575
Mileage Deduction on Sched C 2,875 5,750 6,828 8,625 11,500
Savings of SE Tax 406 812 965 1,219 1,625
Savings of Income Tax @25% MFJ 719 1,438 1,707 2,156 2,875
Total Savings Using Mileage Reimbursement 1,125 2,250 2,672 3,375 4,500
Lease Method
Annual Lease @ $400/month 4,800 4,800 4,800 4,800 4,800
less Depreciation ($3,160 Year 1) -3,160 -3,160 -3,160 -3,160 -3,160
Biz Use Expenses Using Actual Costs 1,545 2,603 3,075 3,544 5,076
Savings of SE Tax 897 1,046 1,113 1,179 1,395
Savings of Income Tax @25% MFJ 1,586 1,851 1,969 2,086 2,469
Gain on Net Rental Income @25% MFJ 410 410 410 410 410
Total Savings Using Lease Back Option 2,073 2,487 2,672 2,855 3,454
Delta on Mileage Rate Method -948 -237 0 520 1,045

Tilt!

We haven’t updated this for 2021 numbers. Out of our client base of 2,700, we only have one business doing this. Have some fun with this, but in the end the other scenarios won’t hurt the brain as much.

The first question is the break-even. That number is 11,875 miles for a small sedan. That means if you drive fewer miles, then a lease arrangement might be a good idea. Conversely, if you drive more miles than 11,875, then using the mileage rate deduction is better. Yes, this is a middle of the road number. Pun intended.

Second question is depreciation and finance. Since you are charging a lease to your business for the use of the automobile, you cannot also add depreciation and finance charges. Those figures make up a large part of AAA’s cost of ownership. You can only pass operational costs proportioned to business use. However, those expenses might be deducted on Schedule E of your individual tax returns, similar to rental properties.

How does the break-even move around? Good question. Frankly, AAA tends to be heavy-handed on the costs. So, if the average costs to operate an automobile go down or is less than what the AAA thinks, the break-even point decreases. If the market lease rate increases from the $400 used above, the break-even mileage increases.

In other words, as the mileage increases, you are amortizing the same fixed costs across more miles, whereas the IRS is giving you a flat rate of 57.5 cents for the 2015 tax year. Low miles? Lease arrangement might make sense since the mileage rate is lower than the actual costs. High miles? Your actual costs are being spread thinner, but the IRS still gives you 57.5 cents. Things to consider.

How does this arrangement reduce my self-employment taxes? Wow. Another good question- you are full of them. Leasing a car back to your business has the most benefit in the garden variety LLC or partnership where all the income is being subjected to self-employment taxes. As you know, an S Corp already sanitizes a bunch of income in the form of a K-1 which is not subjected to self-employment taxes.

So, to reduce your K-1 income in favor of non-passive self-rental income is basically moving money from your right pocket to your left pocket. Both income sources are only taxed at the income tax level. Net zero. But we’ve already discussed that reducing S corporation income through self-rentals might help reduce your reasonable salary. However, this is more apparent in self-rentals or lease arrangements that are not automobiles. The reimbursement allowances, depreciation limits and business use calculations on automobiles versus other self-rental items makes it less lucrative.

Conversely, in an LLC or partnership where self-employment tax is a concern, the automobile lease arrangement is a business expense and directly reduces the income, and therefore reduces self-employment taxes. This arrangement might be a good idea if you are unable to use an S Corp election (foreign investor) or if it doesn’t make sense to (below break-even income).

There is some danger with the lease back to your business option. The biggest challenge is estimating the actual costs to operate your automobile, and the second challenge is estimating your mileage. So, if you are close to the break-even point it might not make sense. And engaging in revisionist history is not an ideal situation either.

Some more commentary. The AAA rate is published each year by the American Automobile Association and takes into account fuel prices, average insurance, registrations, etc.

The previous table assumes a 25% marginal tax rate. This is not a huge consideration, but as marginal tax rates increase the break-even point decreases. For example, on a small sedan, a jump from 25% to 32% in marginal tax rate increases your savings by $400 annually for a person who drives 15,000 miles for business and elects to use the mileage deduction and not the lease arrangement.

Medium sedans. With a slight increase in operating costs and subsequent market lease rates, the break-even is about 13,000 miles. Again, that might be low to some business owners. Hassle versus reward.

What is the net-net?

  • The lease arrangement seems like an OK idea with low business miles.
  • It seems exotic. It seems like a cool thing to drop at a party as a genius idea. But in the end, it might not be all that. But looking smart can be better than being smart.
  • With one vehicle, it only works well in an LLC or partnership where self-employment taxes are being applied to all income.
  • With several vehicles (fleet) or machinery, lease-backs can prove to be smart tax planning.

To confirm, however, WCG can model your specific situation.

Jason Watson, CPA, is a Senior Partner of WCG CPAs & Advisors, a boutique yet progressive tax, accounting
and business consultation firm located in Colorado serving small business owners and taxpayers worldwide.


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Taxpayer’s Comprehensive Guide to LLCs and S Corps 2025 Edition

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