Late S Corp Election
Posted Sunday, July 31, 2022
S Corp status back to January 2022? No problem! The late S corp election can easily be done well into 2023 for 2022 as well (but there are things to work through)! How does this fit into S Corp vs LLC discussion? The S Corp election takes your LLC and changes the way it is taxed and reduces self-employment taxes.
Every year for well over a decade, WCG successfully prepares and files about 150 Form 2553 S Corp elections with 100% success. Zero calories. No trans fats. Add a splenda to the tax savings, and it becomes Yum! Yeah, okay, we took it too far but you get the idea.
Do you remember the old Van Halen song, Hot for Teacher? “I don’t feel tardy.” We don’t want you to feel tardy about your election to be taxed as an S corporation.
So if you are past the 75 days from January 1 or business inception, no worries- in true IRS fashion there is one rule (don’t be tardy), and fifty exceptions (my dog ate it). Form 2553 is no different, but filing it late has to be done correctly and we can help!
S Corp Election Checklist
So we showed you all the benefits, fees and such… but we need to put the horse back in front of the carriage. Let’s go through a quick checklist to ensure that we are not going down the wrong road. As Doc Brown in Back to the Future says, “Roads? Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.” Well, in S Corp land we do-
- Does your business earn over $40,000 net income after expenses? Say Yes.
- Are you located in New York City or Tennessee where S corporation tax rates are egregious and suck up all the federal tax savings? New Hampshire? Say No. Although there might be exceptions where an S Corp makes sense NYC, TN and NH in order to maximize Section 199A deduction benefits.
- Do you have other W-2 income that exceeds or comes close to exceeding the Social Security limits of $147,000 (2022)? Say No. If you say Yes, we need net business income to exceed $200,000 in #1 above so that the Medicare savings exceeds the “lost” Social Security tax paid by the S Corp.
- Is this a going concern? In other words, is the business going to continue to earn the same income or more each year? Say Yes.
- Do you have an LLC or some other entity in place that can be elected to be taxed as an S Corp? Say Yes. If you say No, we have options just not elegant ones such as shelf corporations.
- Do you have other partners besides a spouse… business partners, that is? Say No. If you say Yes, are you currently splitting income based on ownership percentages or some formula? If you say Formula, then we’ll need to explore a multi-entity arrangement.
- Does your entity own any appreciating assets such as real estate? Say No. We don’t put appreciating assets into an S corporation. Holding companies own real estate and operating companies elect S Corp status. Chinese Wall.
Are you still here? Excellent news… read on! You can also complete a PDF version of the above questions, and send them to us for review-
Common S Corp candidates and current clients for WCG are consultants, engineers, financial advisors, physicians, chiropractors, doctors, surgeons, anesthesiologists, nurse anesthetists, insurance agents, attorneys, photographers (the profitable ones), online retailers, FBA retailers, real estate agents, good old fashioned widget makers, among several others. We also have several medical groups and financial advisor teams. Yes, even those deemed to be specified service trades or businesses still benefit with Section 199A coupled with an S Corp election! Double your pleasure.
Late S Corp Election Advantages
As you know, being taxed as an S Corp has huge tax savings because you avoid self-employment taxes. Through an S Corp election you are limiting the amount of income subject to Social Security and Medicare taxes which are bundled to be called self-employment taxes. The savings is easily 8-10% of your net business income after expenses (based on 100,000 net biz income). In other words, if you earn $100,000 in net business income after expenses, your tax savings with an S Corp election could be $8,000 to $10,000. This is the big difference when considering the S Corp vs LLC discussion.
This article is about late S corporation elections and not a drill down of the nuts and bolts tax savings. If you need more information on how this works and other S corporation advantages click on the button below-
Still not sure or not convinced? No problem… please check out Line 4 on Schedule 2 of your Form 1040 tax return. This number reflects the self-employment taxes paid on your business income. We want to reduce this by 60 to 65%. So, if this number is $15,000 then we probably get this down to about $7,000 or so which suggests an $8,000 tax savings.
Form 2553 (the S Corp election form) must be filed with the IRS which tells the IRS that your entity (LLC, partnership or C corporation) wants to be taxed as an S corporation. It is typically due within 75 days of forming your business entity or the start of your fiscal year, however, there is relief for the late filing of Form 2553 and WCG can guide you through that. IRS Revenue Procedures 2003-43 and 2004-48 used to be the governing rules but the IRS has simplified the procedure (imagine that!).
IRS Revenue Procedure 2013-30, effective September 3 2013, allows an entity to get relief and file a late S Corp election within 3 years and 75 days from the date the election was originally intended to be effective. Holy cow. Three years! The IRS is basically saying that if you walk, talk and smell like an S Corp, then you are an S corporation.
So, if it is November 2022, and you want to go back to January 1, 2022 for setting up S corp status, no problem. We prepare and file Form 2553 under IRS RevProc 2013-30, open payroll accounts in your home state (yup, payroll!), process a payroll event that encompasses the entire year and you get a nice W-2. Done! All that is left is preparing your S corporation tax return on Form 1120S and your individual tax return. Let’s talk about the fees… here is a snapshot of our fees to do all this for you-
- Late S Corp Election, $600 ($450 for timely elections), $1,200 if after March 1, 2023 (we can explain why)
- Payroll Setup, $375-$500 (CA, CO, TX easier… NY and PA, rough, like a stucco bathtub)
- Q4 Payroll Event and Tax Planning, $800 (or $450 if we skip tax planning)
Five states require a separate S corporation election form to be filed- Arkansas (really?!), New York, New Jersey, Ohio and sometimes Wisconsin.
If you live in a community property state such as Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington and Wisconsin your spouse might need to sign the Form 2553 even if he or she is not a shareholder. As a side bar, community property laws originate from Spanish property laws which is why most of our bordering states are community property states (red does not mean Republican). Wisconsin has no excuse, and Idaho was just caught in some peer pressure from Washington and Nevada.
Section 199A Deduction
Section 199A deduction also known as the Qualified Business Income deduction (QBID) arises from the Tax Cuts & Jobs Act of 2017. This is a significant tax break for small business owners but there are rules and limits of course. We have written a short article which outlines what is considered a qualified business for the qualified business income deduction including the dreaded specified service trade definitions (which is easily summed up as “any trade or business where the principal asset is the reputation or skill” of the owner). All this stuff is in our book as well!
Click on the button below for our articles-
Even with Section 199A, S corporations remain a critical tax saving tool for two reasons. First, the usual self-employment tax savings remains intact for all business owners including specified service trades or businesses. Second, a business owner might need to pay W-2 wages to himself or herself to not be limited by income, and only corporations can pay W-2 wages to owners (in other words, an LLC cannot without an S Corp election). Read the article above for riveting information!
This information is also incorporated into our book including examples and calculations. Happy Happy Joy Joy!
2022 Late S Corp Election in 2023
Another scenario! Let’s say it is March 2023 (tax season) and you are freakin’ out because you forgot to make the S Corp election earlier. You can still file a late S Corp election Form 2553 back to January 1, 2022 but there are hiccups. Isn’t hiccups such a friendly word? Sort of like bumps in the road. No one says pitfalls or disasters anymore, just hiccups.
Bottom line is we can engage in some revisionist history on March 1, 2023 and back date Shareholder Wages / Officer Compensation for December 31, 2022 via a 1099-MISC issued from your S Corp to you individually. No worries, this is a one-time mulligan. We have been successfully, legally and ethically doing this since 2007 under IRS guidance. You’ll need real payroll and a real W-2 in 2023 so brace for that required impact. Here are our transparent fees-
- Prior Year Late S Corp Election, $600 if can file by March 15, otherwise $1,200 (we can explain why)
- Officer Compensation via 1099, Tax Planning, End of Year Tax Moves, $950
- 2022 Corporate and Personal tax returns, typically about $2,000 for both
Total out the door for 2022 is $3,600. So, if you have $100,000 in net business income after expenses, you’ll still pocket about $5,000 after our fee and your S corporation will be set up and ready to go for 2022 and 2023 (you still need payroll setup). Boom! Economists love cost-benefit stuff. Other humans just like money.
If your current CPA or tax professional says No, we suggest you find a new accountant (or at least educate him or her). WCG and other reputable CPA firms have been doing this for over a decade (there was relief provisions prior to the 2013 issuance of IRS Rev Proc 2013-30) without major problems.
Three things happen simultaneously with a the prior year late S Corp election-
- Filing of Form 2553,
- Determining reasonable Shareholder Wage / Officer Compensation, and
- Preparing the S corporation’s tax returns (Form 1120S)
Since the IRS is a huge organization, the right hand doesn’t always talk to the left hand. Shocking, we know. Therefore it is common for the corporate tax returns to be rejected since the late S Corp election is not processed. Not to worry, we simply re-submit and we are batting 100% for over a decade in getting the late S corp election pushed through. Of course, your mileage might vary and you could be the one like Maverick in Top Gun, but we seriously doubt it.
Late S Corp Election Steps
Let’s break down the late S corporation election into steps. Yeah, we just gave you the basics above, but let’s dig deeper and get a bit granular shall we? We shall! Assume it is March 1 and the March 15 tax return filing deadline for an S Corp is right around the corner. Here we go-
- We prepare and submit Form 2553 to the IRS, and your state if necessary.
- We prepare your S Corp tax return (Form 1120s), and wait since it takes 10-12 weeks for the IRS to process the S Corp election.
- We mail your S Corp tax return extensions (Form 7004), and obtain a time and date stamp via the USPS. We cannot electronically file the extension since your S Corp election has not been processed.
- We prepare your individual tax return (Form 1040), and compute any tax liabilities that are due. Hopefully you made estimated tax payments and you are getting a big refund from the S Corp savings.
- You send in an extension tax payment (if necessary), and we extend your individual tax return since it has a K-1 from your S Corp being reported on page 2 of Schedule E… but your S corporation “doesn’t exist yet” so the IRS cannot properly process your individual tax return.
Time goes by… life’s good…
- On or about May 15 the IRS sends an S Corp election acceptance letter.
- We efile both your S Corp tax return and your individual tax return. Wait! You are not done yet… a nasty gram is on the way.
More time goes by…
- On or about July 3, right before a nice long weekend in the mountains, you receive a late filing penalty of $200 per month per shareholder ruining whatever relaxation was ahead of you. Oh… and it came in around 5:01PM after our offices closed.
- On Monday morning, you call our office precisely at 8:00AM freakin’ out about the penalty.
- We freak out too… why not? Might as well really spin this up. Then we calmly say, “We’ll contact the IRS and get their wires uncrossed and ask them to abate the penalty.”
We have a 100% success rate on putting humpty dumpty back together.
Late S Corp Election Consultation
How does this late S corporation election, Form 2553, reasonable cause addendum, and blah blah blah all work? You probably have a good idea reading all this… but you might want to put it all together in a conversation so we can apply the process to your unique world. Let’s schedule that today!
Business Advisory Service Plans
WCG specializes in small businesses who generally have fewer than 100 employees. Why? We want to help people, and more importantly we want to help the business owner directly. Frankly speaking, once a business gets to a certain size management layers get in the way of owner access. Access allows us to ensure the owner(s) are leveraging the most out of their business for themselves and their families.
Because small business is a core competency for us, we have created business advisory service plans which include these really cool things-
|A la Carte*||Vail||Telluride||Aspen|
2023 Tax Planning and Preparation
|Streamlined Tax Planning, Tax Projection Worksheets||$350 to $500|
|Annual Tax Reduction, Shifting and Deferral Analysis||$350 to $500|
|Small Business Tax Deductions Optimization||Included|
|Section 199A QBI Deduction Tax and Salary Optimization||$300|
|Estimated Income Taxes (via increased payroll withholdings)||Included|
|Business Entity Tax Return (Form 1065, 1120, 1120S)||$1,500 starting|
|Individual Tax Return (Form 1040, joint filing), One Owner||$800 starting|
|Expat / Foreign Income Calcs (Form 2555, FBAR, Form 8938)||$300 to $500||Add-On||Add-On||Add-On|
|Tax Resolution, Audit Defense||Varies||As Req'd||As Req'd||As Req'd|
|Financial Planning, Calculations, Discussions||$900 to $2,500||Add-On||Add-On|
|Situational Tax Law Research (up to 3 hours annually)||$750 to $1,000|
Payroll and Accounting Services
|Reasonable Shareholder Salary Calculation (RCReports)||$500|
|Monthly Shareholder Payroll Processing (includes spouse, kids extra)||$1,200|
|Employee Payroll Processing (bi-weekly, direct deposit)||Varies||Add-On||Add-On||Add-On|
|Annual Payroll Processing (W-2s, other filings, up to ten 1099s)||Included|
|Accounting Services (bookkeeping + analysis... see below)||Varies||Add-On||Add-On||Add-On|
|Quarterly QuickBooks Consulting (QuickStart Launch)||$250, $750||Add-On|
Business Advisory Services
|Business Consultation, Periodic Business Reviews (PBR)||$250 to $1,000||Annually||Routine||Routine|
|Complimentary Quick Chats (CQC)||$250 to $500||Routine||Routine||Routine|
|CPA Concierge Services||Varies||Add-On||Add-On|
|Interfacing with Lenders, Attorneys, Financial Planners||$750||Routine||Routine|
|Fractional Controller (monitoring 3rd party bookkeeping)||Varies||Add-On||Add-On||Routine|
|Quarterly Financial Statements Analysis, Comparisons||$1,200|
|Annual Cash Flow Management and Analysis||$1,500 to $2,500|
|Annual Budgeting, Forecasting, Goal Setting||$750 to $1,000|
|Annual First Research Reports, Industry-Focused Consulting||$350 to $600|
|Annual National and Metro Economic Reports||$150|
|KPI Analysis, Benchmarking, Hot Sheets, Trend Analysis||$500 to $1,500|
|Strategy and Maintenance|
|C-Level Financial Advice, Strategic Planning (Fractional CFO)||Varies|
|Succession Planning, Ownership Changes Consultation||$750 to $1,000||Routine|
|Annual Business Valuation||$2,500 to $3,000|
|Annual Corporate Governance, Resolutions, Meetings||$150 + filing fee|
|(prorated based on onboarding date)|
Custom! Unlike the modern day new car packages where you have to spend $8,000 for the moonroof, our Business Advisory Service plans can be customized specifically for you. The array above is simply a starting point. If you need more or less from us, let’s chat about it!
Tax Patrol Services
We also have Tax Patrol! This is a wonderful tax service for those who don’t need all the business advisory bells and whistles above, but from time to time want some love from an experienced tax consultant and business advisor. Have a quick tax question? Need to know the depreciation rules as you buy that new car? Wondering what your April tax bill is going to be in August? Tax Patrol is like ski patrol… you might not use it, but you sleep better knowing you have it.
|A la Carte*||Keystone||Copper||Breck|
|Individual Tax Return Prep (Form 1040, joint filing)||$800 starting|
|Business Entity Tax Return Prep (Form 1065, 1120, 1120S)||$1,500 starting|
|Streamlined Tax Planning, Tax Projection Worksheets||$350 to $500|
|Estimated Tax Payments Calcs||Included|
|Tax Resolution, Audit Defense||NA||Add-On||Add-On||Add-On|
|Complimentary Quick Chats (CQC)||$250 to $500||Routine||Routine||Routine|
|(prorated based on onboarding date)|
Additional Business Services
The following are additional business services to get your venture launched and on the way. Some of these are teased out separately as one and done fees like formation and onboarding stuff.
|Monthly Accounting (bookkeeping + analysis)||starting at $400 / month|
|Bi-Monthly Accounting (bookkeeping + analysis every 2 months)||starting at $250 / month|
|Quad-Monthly Accounting (bookkeeping + analysis every 4 months)||starting at $150 / month|
|Sales Tax, Personal Property Tax||typically $75 / month, $150 / quarter|
|Employee Payroll (direct deposit, bi-weekly)||1 employee, $100 / month
2-5 employees, $175 / month
|Fine Print: Accounting fees are based on 2 bank account with less than 250 monthly transactions but does not include the QBO fee from Intuit. Custom quote is available if you have a lot going on such as third-party integrations (POS, time billing system), accrual accounting method, extensive benefits packages and / or industry specific issues (e.g, job costing in construction).
Even Finer Print: Employee payroll can be added only if already using our Business Advisory Service plans above (e.g, Vail). Custom quote for more than 5 employees and a referral to therapy.
|Articles of Organization or Incorporation, or Dissolution||$625 + state filing fee|
|Initial Report (if required)||$125 + state filing fee|
|Annual Report||$350 + state filing fee|
|Employer Identification Number (EIN)||Included|
|Single Member Operating Agreement (SMLLC)||Included|
|MS Word Templated Bylaws Agreement (Corporations)||Included|
|S Corp Election, Timely Election (made with formation)||Included|
|Payroll Accounts Setup, Transfer, Closing||$550 to $650 depending on state|
|Employee Data Transfer||$25 per EE, >5|
|Accounting Setup or Transfer (Fractional Controller)||Varies|
|QuickStart QuickBooks Setup and Support (90 days)||$750|
|S Corp Election, Timely Election (within 75 days)||$450|
|Late S Corp Election Back to January 2023||$600, $1,200 after Jan 1 2024|
|Examine Prior Tax Returns||Included|
|Entity Relocation Package (payroll closure and opening, entity move)||$800 (some are $1,050) + state filing fees|
|Address Changes w/o Payroll (IRS, State Dept of Revenue, Secretary of State)||$250 + state filing fees|
|Address Changes with Payroll (above + state and local payroll agencies)||$350 to $450 + state filing fees|
|Our entity relocation package includes closing your current payroll accounts, opening shiny new ones, moving your entity with the Secretary of State (if applicable) and updating addresses as necessary.
Speaking of address changes... these are tough. Basic address changes require IRS, State Department of Revenue and Secretary of State notifications. Address changes that include payroll add another level of complexity since departments of revenue are not the same as departments of labor, and there might be local or municipal agencies as well.
Advisory Services Fine Print
A la CarteA la Carte fee ranges are approximates. 85% of our clients fit into these fee ranges, but there are outliers. We have a handful of clients with over 30 rentals; their individual tax return is north of $4,000. We also are assuming one state; if your business spans the galaxy then additional fees will be discussed with you prior to payroll setup or tax preparation. Typically each state or tax jurisdiction is around $250 to $350 for tax preparation since it affects both your business and individual tax returns (frankly, state apportionment is a pain in the butt, but it is our pain… and states, especially California and New York, are crazy about it).
Some more things to consider- when a partial year remains, our usual annual fee is pro-rated to not charge you for services you didn’t use (like payroll and consultation). However, a large chunk of our annual fee is tax preparation which is typically a built-in fixed amount of $2,300 (both business entity and individual tax returns) plus annual tax planning. Whether we onboard you in January, July or December, we have to prepare a full year tax return. This increases the monthly fee for the remaining months of 2023 but the monthly fee will later decrease in January of 2024 to reflect the amounts above. Yeah, we make it sound like 2024 is just around the corner.
We make very little profits on payroll processing… we offer it as a convenience to our clients. One throat to choke with a single call can be reassuring but if you want to run your payroll, go for it! Everyone thinks payroll is a piece of cake; write a check and done. Nope… we see a lot of mistakes being made by clients especially the handling of health insurance and HSA contributions since there are special rules for greater than 2% S Corp shareholders. Then again, we don’t mind fixing what was broken.
You can prepare your own individual tax return as well… but the benefit WCG preparing both individual and business tax returns is that we slide things around depending on income limitations, phaseouts, alternative minimum tax (AMT), Section 199A deduction optimization, pass-through entity tax deductions (PTET), etc. Having our arms around both can yield some good tax savings!
Note: An individual tax return is what the IRS calls Form 1040 and refers to the entity filing the tax return (you, the individual, are the entity). However, a married couple are deemed to be one entity for the sake of an individual tax return. So, when we say we will prepare your individual tax return, it is meant to include your spouse in a jointly filed tax return.
Break-Even Analysis (does an S Corp make sense?)
Break-even analysis is based on our annual fee of $4,320. If an S corporation saves you 8% to 10% (on average) in taxes over the garden-variety LLC, then $4,320 divided by 9% equals $50,000 of net ordinary business income (profit) after expenses and deductions.
More sales pitch! Keep in mind that our fee of $4,320 includes your individual tax return which you might already be paying another tax professional to prepare. WCG has a handful of clients who are right at the break-even point of $50,000 but leverage an S Corp and our services to get tax preparation, tax planning and consultation.
We are not salespeople. We are not putting lipstick on a pig, and trying to convince you to love it, even if Tom Ford’s Wild Ginger looks amazing. Our job remains being professionally detached, giving you information and letting you decide.
We see far too many crazy schemes and half-baked ideas from attorneys and wealth managers. In some cases, they are good ideas. In most cases, all the entities, layering and mixed ownership is only the illusion of precision. Just because you can complicate the crap out of your life doesn’t mean you must. Just like Chris Rock says, just because you can drive your car with your feet doesn’t make it a good idea.
Here is a brief summary of the next steps should you want to engage WCG with Business Advisory Services or Tax Patrol-
1. We schedule an appointment to discuss your needs and ensure that we have the proper resources to help you.
2. We draft a proposal outlining the scope of services and our fixed annual fee.
3. If necessary, we schedule another appointment to review the proposal and perhaps tighten things up or make changes.
4. Once the proposal is signed, the fun begins with onboarding. We have an extensive checklist and internal task list to properly onboard you and your business. Some things are concurrent (such as gathering housekeeping docs and setting up payroll) and some things are sequential (for example, collecting financial data and then offering salary recommendations and creating a tax plan). Onboarding is like having a baby; a SWAT team shows up and does a zillion things, and poof, everyone is gone except for mom and baby.
5. After onboarding (usually 4-6 weeks), things settle down into a rhythm- Tax preparation in the spring, tax planning in the summer, with payroll and routine consultation bouncing along throughout the year.
Our Business Expertise
As mentioned elsewhere we primarily focus on small business owners and their unique consultation and tax preparation needs. With over 40 full-time consultation professionals including Certified Public Accountants, Enrolled Agents and Certified Financial Planners on your team, WCG consults on custom business structures, multiple entity arrangements, S corp elections (even late S corp elections back to January), tax strategies, business coaching, industry analysis, executive benefits, retirement planning including individual 401k plans, exit strategies, business valuations, income tax planning and modeling, and tax representation.
We also work with business law attorneys for business owners who have additional needs such as drafting Operating Agreements, fee for service contracts, buying or selling a business including employee stock ownership plans and partner buy-ins. In addition, WCG coordinates with third party plan administrators such as Polycomp and RPS to create age-based profit sharing plans and cash balance (defined benefit) plans. We can run point on whatever your business needs to ensure that communication is effective and efficient allowing you to sell widgets.
Here are some additional resources you might find useful.
Late LLC Formation with S Corp Election
One of the situations we face often is when taxpayers are operating as a sole proprietor without an LLC or other entity structure. This doesn’t allow for an S Corp election and subsequent tax savings. So, what can be done? We create an LLC immediately and elect it to be taxed as an S corporation. Next, we allocate income and expenses between the sole proprietorship and the S Corp using the date of inception. Finally, we explore shifting the remaining income by issuing a 1099-MISC from the sole proprietorship using your SSN to the S corporation’s EIN (income nomination). This income shift is not a slam-dunk recommendation and needs extended discussion.
Self Employed 401k Plan
Now that you can save thousands of dollars in self employment taxes with an S Corp election, you should invest that wisely. WCG (formerly Watson CPA Group) is a small business too, and we understand that any extra dollars usually get invested back into the growing company. Having said that, there are several small business retirement plans which include solo 401k plans, profit sharing plans, cash balance and defined benefits pensions.
For example, with a solo 401k plan piggybacked with a defined benefits pension, you could sock away over $192,000 at age 50. All tax deferred if you like, which could yield a savings of over $86,000 (assuming a 45% marginal tax rate with federal and state). Wow!
Note how we purposely did not mention SEP IRAs. These are old school and are usually designed to be crisis management tools (after the fact) rather than good planning tools. Read more about the various self employed retirement options, including retirement tax bombs and the difference between tax deferral and tax savings below-
Please contact us today to get started on the late S corp election. All the cool kids are doing it- well, most, and we’ll have to ask several questions to make sure the fit is right.