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S Corp Election

S Corp ElectionPosted Mon, June 1, 2020

There is a misconception floating around out there that an S Corp is a standalone entity. Not true. There are three basic business entities with variations within. The three basic are-

  • Limited Liability Company (LLC), single-member or multi-member
  • Limited Liability Partnership (LLP) or General Partnership (GP)
  • C Corporation including Professional Corporation (some states require attorneys, accountants and doctors, for example, to be a Professional Corporation)

Two notables missing from the list. First, sole proprietors are not an entity nor is the variant “Doing Business As” (DBA). If you wake up and want to sell used copiers, you can, right now, without any formalized structure. It is not smart, but certainly permissible. At times sole proprietors are interchanged with single-member limited liability companies (SMLLC) since the IRS and most states consider a SMLLC to be a disregarded entity for taxation, and both a sole proprietorship and a SMLLC will end up on Schedule C of your Form 1040. However, they are truly different in several underlying ways.

Also note how an S corporation is not listed. It is not an entity. It is a taxation election. The underlying entity has to be one of the above, and usually it is an LLC (either single-member or multi-member) for the ease of formation yet corporations and professional corporations are common as well.

So while we might talk about your “S Corp,” or “S Corp Taxes,” we are truly talking about your underlying entity being treated as an S Corp for taxation. Again, this is a common misconception… no biggie if you thought otherwise. Many people do!

Avoid Self-Employment Taxes

A common complaint from those who own their own business is self-employment tax. Can you avoid, reduce, eliminate or lower your self employment taxes or SE taxes? Yes, to a large extent actually, but it takes some effort and an S Corp Election.

If you own a business as a garden variety single-member LLC (one owner), your business income will be reported on your personal tax return under Schedule C and is subject to self-employment tax (currently 15.3%) and ordinary income tax. The same is true for a business that has not formed a corporation such as a sole proprietor and partnerships. So, you could easily pay an average of 40% (15.3% in SE taxes + 25% in income taxes, blended) on all your net business income in federal and state taxes. Wow!

Income taxes is largely a sunk cost. You can reduce it by having less revenue, spending more money on deductible things and / or earning some of the various business tax credits.

S Corp Election

If you own an LLC and have elected to be treated as an S corporation (Subchapter S) for taxation, the business now files a corporate tax return on Form 1120S. What’s the big deal? Before we get into that, let’s look at some quick numbers. These are based on using a salary of 40% of net business income for incomes up to $500,000 and then decreased incrementally to 30% for the millionaire at $2,500,000 below (real case actually)-

IncomeTotal SE TaxSalaryTotal PR TaxDeltaDelta%

Don’t get too hung up on the drop in percentages. Focus on the overall hard dollar amount. Notice the sweet spot at $100,000 to $150,000 (yes, it dips at $300k due to Social Security limits). Also consider that if you run self-employed health insurance through the business (and you should), savings jumps up even more. Why? Check out our book titled Taxpayer’s Comprehensive Guide to LLCs and S Corps which massively expands on this concept-

Bottom line savings is about 8-10% of your net business income after expenses for those earning $100,000. So, if you make $100,000 after expenses you’ll save about $8,000 in overall taxes, and they are all self-employment taxes. Self-employment taxes = Social Security / Medicare taxes = payroll taxes. All the same thing (in general). This is 8-10% number is just a jumping off point; as the table above shows, the percentage of savings goes down as income increases but the overall savings continues to rise.

There is a cost to being an S corporation of course- all that glitters is only partially gold. See below for our S Corp “all in” packages aptly named Aspen, Vail and Breckenridge. Yup, we’re from Colorado! Still not sure or not convinced? No problem… please check out Line 4 from Schedule 2 on your Form 1040 tax return. This number reflects the self-employment taxes paid on your business income. We want to reduce this by 60 to 65% and we assume you do too!

Section 199A Pass Thru Tax Reform

Section 199A deduction, also known as the Qualified Business Income deduction, arises from the Tax Cuts & Jobs Act of 2017. This is a significant tax break for small business owners but there are rules and limits of course. We have written several articles which outline what is considered a qualified business for the qualified business income deduction, including the dreaded specified service trade or business (SSTB) definitions (which is easily summed up as “any trade or business where the principal asset is the reputation or skill” of the owner). Click on the buttons below for our articles-

S corporations remain a critical tax saving tool for two reasons. First, the usual self-employment tax savings remains intact for all business owners including specified service trades or businesses. Second, a business owner might need to pay W-2 wages to himself or herself to not be limited by income, and only corporations can pay W-2 wages to owners (in other words, an LLC cannot without an S Corp election). Read the articles above for riveting information including W-2 optimization and reasonable shareholder salary.

S Corp Election Money Trail

So, when your partnership, LLC or corporation is being taxed as an S Corp you are both an employee and a shareholder (think investor). As an employee, your income is subjected to all the usual taxes that you would see on a paystub- federal taxes, state taxes, Social Security taxes, Medicare taxes, unemployment taxes and disability insurance (state specific). However, as a shareholder or investor, you are simply getting a return on your investment much like a dividend (in S Corp world this is called a distribution).

A K-1 is a statement that each shareholder receives, and it is similar to a W-2 since it reports the income that each shareholder is responsible for from a taxation perspective. There are two types of K-1s for the purposes of our discussions- one is generated from a Form 1065 and the other is generated from a Form 1120S. A Form 1065 is also called a partnership tax return, and typically your K-1 income will be subjected to self-employment taxes.

S Corp ElectionHowever, a K-1 generated from a Form 1120S (an underlying entity with the S Corp election) is reported on the shareholder’s personal tax return on Schedule E, Page 2 just like most K-1s, but it is not subjected to self-employment taxes. Schedule E is the form used for rental properties, royalties and other investment income including business income from an S corporation.

And when we say self-employment taxes, we are really talking about Social Security and Medicare taxes. From a sole proprietor perspective, they are self-employment taxes. From an employee perspective, they are Social Security and Medicare taxes (FICA). Same thing.

Let’s look at another visual in terms of how the money travels (picture time!).

So an S Corp doesn’t pay taxes per se since it is a pass-thru entity, and passes its tax obligation to the investors. There are some states that charge a franchise tax such as California and Texas, and other states have an S corporation tax that is egregious such as Tennessee, New Hampshire and New York City.

Please read the full story on S corporation taxes and self employment taxes in our Taxpayer’s Comprehensive Guide to LLCs and S Corps-

S Corp Election Process

How does all this work? Good question! To take an entity and have it be taxed as an S corporation by the IRS and your state, paperwork must be completed and submitted. For the IRS, Form 2553 is the necessary form and it is typically due within 75 days of the fiscal year of the entity or within 75 days of inception. What if it is summer and you realized your dog ate your S Corp election paperwork? No worries! In classic IRS fashion, there is one rule and about a hundred exceptions… and Form 2553 is no different. There are provisions for a late S corporation election. We can help.

Back to the issue! Form 2553 is signed in wet ink (the IRS does not accept Adobesign or Docusign or any of those online signature apps) and then either faxed or mailed. We prefer fax. In about 10-12 weeks, you’ll get an S Corp election acceptance letter. Done! If the IRS screws up the effective date, we can fix that too… remember they are humans, and can fat-finger a number like anyone else.

S Corp Election Consultation

Does an S corporation make sense for you? Can you go back in time for a late S corp election? We’ll play the classic accountant and say, “it depends.” But! The decision tree is fairly straightforward. Let’s chat!

Our fee is $150 for 40 minutes (such a deal for you!). If we decide to press forward with an engagement, we will credit the $150 towards future services. If you don’t need convincing and already want our services such as business tax return preparation or S Corporation subscription package, and you simply have some housekeeping questions, we answer those at no charge. Charging a consult fee to tell you how great we are is not cool.


Consultations are scheduled on weekdays during the work day. Yes, we can accommodate other days and after-hours, but those are reluctantly agreed to after some eye-rolling and complaining. We will answer your questions to determine three things-


  • Do you need our help?
  • Can WCG and its support staff help you?
  • Can we work together as a collaborative partnership?

From there we can determine the best plan which might be a simple "keep on keeping on"; otherwise we will construct a malleable plan together and provide a quote for those services.


Shockingly we actually return all consultation requests via email and phone call. No black holes here!

Late S Corp Election, Oops

Form 2553 (the S Corp election form) must be filed with the IRS. It is typically due within 75 days of forming your business entity or the fiscal year start (such as Jan 1), however, there is relief for the late filing of Form 2553 and we can guide you through that. IRS Revenue Procedures 2003-43 and 2004-48 used to be the governing rules but the IRS has simplified it (imagine that!) with Revenue Procedure 2013-30. We have an entire webpage dedicated to the late S Corp election. We can go back to January 2018! Check it out here-

S Corp Benefits Package

Business Advisory Service Plans

WCG specializes in small businesses who generally have fewer than 100 employees. Why? We want to help people, and more importantly we want to help the business owner directly. Frankly speaking, once a business gets to a certain size management layers get in the way of owner access. Access allows us to ensure the owner(s) are leveraging the most out of their business for themselves and their families.

Because small business is a core competency for us, we have created business advisory service plans which include these really cool things-


 A la Carte*VailTellurideAspen

2020 Tax Planning and Preparation

Tax Planning, Tax Projection Worksheets$350 to $500
Small Business Tax Deductions OptimizationIncluded
Section 199A QBI Tax and Salary Optimization$300
Estimated Tax Payments (thru payroll or directly)inc. or $75 per
2020 Business Entity Tax Prep (Form 1065, 1120, 1120S)$800 to $1,200
2020 Individual Tax Prep (Form 1040), One Owner$500 to $700
Expat / Foreign Income Calcs (Form 2555, FBAR, Form 8938)$300 to $500Add-OnAdd-OnAdd-On
IRS Audit DefenseNA
Situational Tax Law Research (up to 3 hours annually)$750  

2020 Payroll

Reasonable Shareholder Salary Calculation (RCReports)$400
Monthly Shareholder Payroll Processing (up to 3 shareholders)$1,200
Employee Payroll Processing (up to 25 employees, bi-weekly, direct)$300 per monthAdd-On
Annual Payroll Processing (W2s, other filings, up to five 1099’s)Included

Business Advisory Services

Business Consultation, Periodic Business Reviews (PBR)$1,000QuarterlyUnlimitedUnlimited
Complimentary Quick Chats (CQC)IncludedUnlimitedUnlimitedUnlimited
Interfacing with Lenders, Attorneys, Financial Planners$500 UnlimitedUnlimited
Financial Analysis   
QuickBooks, Xero Consulting$500 
Fractional Controller (Bookkeeping)NAAdd-OnAdd-OnAdd-On
Financial Statements Analysis, Comparisons$1,200 QuarterlyQuarterly
Cash Flow Management and Analysis$750 to $1,000  
First Research Industry Reports, Industry-Focused Consulting$250
National and Metro Economic Reports$150
KPI Analysis, Benchmarking, Hot Sheets, Trend Analysis$750 to $1,000
Budgeting, Forecasting, Goal-Setting$750 to $1,000
Strategy and Maintenance   
C-Level Financial Advice and Strategic PlanningIncluded  
Succession Planning, Ownership Changes Consultation$750 to $1,000
Annual Business Valuation$2,500 to $3,000
Annual Corporate Governance, Resolutions, Meetings$150 
Annual Fee$3,180$5,580$8,160
Monthly Fee$265$465$680

Custom! Unlike the modern day new car packages where you have to spend $8,000 for the moonroof, our Business Advisory Service plans can be customized specifically for you. The array above is simply a starting point. If you need more from us, let’s chat about it! The following are teased out separately as one and done fees like formation and onboarding stuff.


Articles of Organization or Incorporation, Domestic Owners$425 + state filing fee
Articles of Organization or Incorporation, Foreign Owners$725 + state filing fee
Initial Report (if required)$125 + state filing fee
Employer Identification NumberIncluded
Single Member Operating Agreement (SMLLC)Included
MS Word Templated Bylaws Agreement (Corporations)Included
S Corp Election, Timely Election (made with formation)Included
Accountable PlanIncluded


Payroll Accounts Setup or Transfer$300 to $450
Bookkeeping Setup or Transfer (Fractional Controller)$300
QuickStart QuickBooks Setup and Support (90 days)$550
S Corp Election, Timely Election (within 75 days)$250
Late S Corp Election Back to January 2020$450
Examine Prior Tax ReturnsIncluded

Note: A la Carte fee ranges are approximates. 90% of our clients fit into these fee ranges, but there are outliers. We have a handful of clients with over 30 rentals; their individual tax return is north of $2,500. We also are assuming one state; if your business spans the galaxy (keeping with our stormtrooper motif) then additional fees will be discussed with you prior to payroll setup or tax preparation. Typically each state is around $250 for tax preparation since it affects both your business and individual tax returns (frankly, state apportionment is a pain in the butt, but it is our pain).

Couple of other things to keep in mind- we make very little profits on payroll processing... we offer it as a convenience to our clients. One throat to choke with a single call can be reassuring but if you want to run your payroll, go for it! Everyone thinks payroll is a piece of cake; write a check and done. Nope... we see a lot of mistakes being made by clients especially the handling of health insurance and HSA contributions since there are special rules for greater than 2% S Corp shareholders.

You can prepare your own individual tax return as well... but the benefit WCG preparing both tax returns is that we slide things around depending on income limitations, phaseouts, alternative minimum tax (AMT), Section 199A deduction optimization, etc. Having our arms around both can yield some good tax savings!

Some more things to consider- when a partial year remains, our usual annual fee is pro-rated to not charge you for services you didn’t use (like payroll and consultation). However, a large chunk of our annual fee is tax preparation which is typically a built-in fixed amount of $1,300 (both business entity and individual tax returns). Whether we onboard you in January, July or December, we have to prepare a full year tax return. This increases the monthly fee for the remaining months of 2020 but the monthly fee will later decrease in January of 2021 to reflect the amounts above. Yeah, we make it sound like 2021 is just around the corner.



We are not salespeople. We are not putting lipstick on a pig, and trying to convince you to love it, even if Tom Ford’s Wild Ginger looks amazing. Our job remains being professionally detached, giving you information and letting you decide.

We see far too many crazy schemes and half-baked ideas from attorneys and wealth managers. In some cases, they are good ideas. In most cases, all the entities, layering and mixed ownership is only the illusion of precision. Just because you can complicate the crap out of your life doesn’t mean you must. Just like Chris Rock says, just because you can drive your car with your feet doesn't make it a good idea.

Our Business Expertise

Small Business Expert

As mentioned elsewhere we primarily focus on small business owners and their unique consultation and tax preparation needs. With over 30 full-time consultation professionals including Certified Public Accountants, Enrolled Agents and Certified Financial Planners on your team, WCG consults on business structures, S corp elections (even late S corp elections back to January), tax strategies, business coaching, industry analysis, executive benefits, retirement planning including individual 401k plans, exit strategies, business valuations, income tax planning and modeling, and tax representation.

With our Aspen Business Advisory Services plan above, we are your fractional Chief Financial Officer providing C-level discussion, guidance and strategic planning.

We also work with business law attorneys in California, Texas and Colorado for business owners who have additional needs such as buying or selling a business including employee stock ownership plans and partner buy-ins. In addition, WCG coordinates with third party plan administrators such as Polycomp and RPS to create age-based profit sharing plans and cash balance (defined benefit) plans. We can run point on whatever your business needs to ensure that communication is effective and efficient allowing you to sell widgets.

The button below links to our Periodic Business Review (PBR) Agenda. We use this throughout the year as a checklist for our business clients. We can also use it for any type of business consultation. Here are some other buttons that you might be interested in as well.

Click the button below to schedule a 40 minute consultation with one of our business consultants. Our fee is $150, but we credit that back to you if you decide to engage us for future services. Low risk, high- reward.

How does all this work? Let’s chat and figured it out together!