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  • Taxpayers Guide to LLCs and S Corps

    • Introduction

      • About the Author
      • Progressive Updates
      • Introduction Disclaimer
      • Shameless Self-Promotion
      • Book Introduction
      • Quick Reference 2023
      • Quick Reference 2024
    • Chap 1 - Business Entities, LLCs

      • Basic Business Entities
      • Sole Proprietorship
      • Single Member Limited Liability Company
      • Multi-Member Limited Liability Company
      • Partnerships
      • C Corporations
      • Personal Service Corporation
      • Professional Corporations and LLCs
      • S Corporations
      • Section 199A Qualified Business Income Tax Deduction
      • S Corp Versus LLC
      • LLC Popularity (Hype)
      • Formation of an LLC or S Corp
      • Nevada Fallacy of an LLC (or Delaware or Wyoming!)
    • Chap 2 - Customized Entity Structures

      • Your Spouse as a Partner (Happy Happy Joy Joy)
      • Family Partners
      • Real Estate Holding Company and Operating Company
      • Parent-Child Arrangement (Income Flows "Up")
      • Parent-Child Arrangement (Income Flows "Down")
      • Multi-Member LLC That Issues Invoices
      • Things to Work Through with Multiple Entities
      • Recap of Benefits with Multiple Entities
      • State Apportionment with Multiple Entities
      • California Multi-Member LLC S Corp Twist
      • Holding Company versus Management Company
      • Economic versus Equity Interests
      • Structuring Deals with Angel Investors
      • ESOPs and S Corporations
      • Another Employee Ownership Situation
      • Medical C Corp
      • Fleischer Tax Court Case
      • Joint Ventures
      • Loans or Capital Injections
      • Using a Trust in Your Formation Considerations
      • Operating Agreements
      • Exit Plans, Business Succession
      • Liability Protection Fallacy of an LLC
      • Charging Orders
      • Using a Self-Directed IRA to Buy a Rental, Start A Business
    • Chap 3 - S Corporation Benefits

      • Avoiding or Reducing Self-Employment SE Taxes
      • Tax Savings with Health Insurance
      • S Corp Hard Money Facts, Net Savings
      • Ancillary Benefits with S Corporations
      • Officer Compensation with Solo 401k Plan Deferral
      • W-2 Converted to 1099
      • Net Investment Income, Medicare Surtax and S Corps
      • Being a Passive Business Owner
      • Three Types of Income
    • Chap 4 - The 185 Reasons to Not Have an S Corp or LLC

      • Chapter 4 Introduction
      • Additional Accounting Costs
      • Additional Payroll Taxes
      • SEP IRA Limitations
      • Trapped Assets
      • Distributing Profits, Multiple Owners
      • Other W-2 Income
      • State Business Taxes (Not Just Income Taxes)
      • Deducting Losses, Trapped Cash
      • Distributions in Excess of Shareholder Basis
      • Stock Classes
      • Vesting and Expanding Ownership
      • Bad Loans to the S Corp
      • Social Security Basis
      • Payroll Taxes on Children
      • C Corp to S Corp Problems
      • Going Concern
      • Recap of S Corp Downsides
      • Growing Business, Debt Service
    • Chap 5 - State Nexus Problems

      • Chapter 5 Introduction
      • Chapter 5 Disclaimer
      • Wayfair Case Part 1
      • Nexus Theory
      • Constitutional and Legislative Standards
      • Sales and Use Tax, Income Tax
      • Physical and Economic Presence, Nexus Attached
      • Wayfair Case Part 2
      • Services and Tangible Personal Property (TPP)
      • Costs of Performance, Market-Based Approach
      • Allocation and Throwback
      • FBA, Drop Shipments, Trailing Nexus Revisited
      • Recap of State Tax Issues
      • State Tax Issues and Nexus
    • Chap 6 - S Corporation Election

      • Formation (Election) of an S-Corp
      • Electing S-Corp Filing Status, Retroactive for 2023
      • Another Option, Dormant S Corp
      • Missing Payroll, Now What
      • Mid-Year Payroll
      • Nuts and Bolts of the S Corp Election
      • Ineffective S Corp Elections
      • S Corp Equity Section
      • Terminating S Corp Election
      • Distributed Assets
      • 5 Year Rule
      • Life Cycle of an S Corporation
    • Chap 7 - Section 199A Deduction Analysis

      • Section 199A S Corp Considerations
      • Calculating the Qualified Business Income Deduction
      • Section 199A Defining Terms
      • Specified Service Trade or Business (SSTB) Definitions
      • Trade or Business of Performing Services as an Employee
      • Services or Property Provided to an SSTB
      • Section 199A Deduction Decision Tree
      • Section 199A Reasonable Compensation
      • Section 199A Pass-Thru Salary Optimization
      • Cost of Increasing Shareholder Salary
      • Section 199A Rental Property Deduction
      • Negative Qualified Business Income
      • Qualified Property Anti-Abuse
      • Aggregation of Multiple Businesses
      • Section 199A W-2 Safe Harbors
      • Additional Section 199A Reporting on K-1
      • Section 199A Frequently Asked Questions
    • Chap 8 - Section 199A Examples and Comparisons

      • S Corp Section 199A Deduction Examples
      • Section 199A Side by Side Comparisons
      • Section 199A Basic Comparisons
      • Section 199A Health Insurance Comparison
      • Section 199A 200k Comparison
      • Section 199A 250k Comparison
      • Section 199A Specified Service Business Comparison Part 1
      • Section 199A Specified Service Business Comparison Part 2
      • Section 199A Phaseout
      • Section 199A Recap
      • Section 199A Actual Tax Returns Comparison
    • Chap 9 - Reasonable Shareholder Salary

      • Chapter 9 Introduction
      • IRS S Corp Stats
      • Reasonable S Corp Salary Theory
      • IRS Revenue Rulings and Fact Sheet 2008-25
      • Tax Court Cases for Reasonable Salary
      • Risk Analysis to Reasonable Shareholder Salary
      • Reasonable Salary Labor Data
      • Assembled Workforce or Developed Process Effect
      • RCReports
      • W-2 Converted to 1099 Reasonable Salary
      • S Corp Salary Starting Point
      • Multiple Shareholders Payroll Split
      • Additional S Corp Salary Considerations
      • Reasonable Salary Recap
    • Chap 10 - Operating Your S Corp

      • Chapter 10 Introduction
      • Costs of Operating an S Corp
      • New S Corp Puppy, What Do I Do Now
      • Accounting Method
      • 1099-NEC Issued to Your SSN
      • Take Money Out of the S Corp
      • Processing S Corp Payroll
      • Taking Shareholder Distributions
      • Reclassify Shareholder Distributions
      • Accountable Plan Expense Reimbursements
      • Accountable Plan Requirements
      • Shareholder Distributions as Reimbursements
      • S Corp Tax Return Preparation
      • Distributions in Excess of Basis
      • Minimize Tax or Maximize Value (Economic Benefit)
      • Tracking Fringe Benefits
      • Other Tricks of the Trade with S Corps
      • Adding Your Spouse to Payroll
      • Chap 10 - Comingling of Money
    • Chap 11 - Tax Deductions, Fringe Benefits

      • Chapter 11 Introduction
      • Four Basics to Warm Up To
      • Section 199A Deductions – Pass Through Tax Breaks
      • 185 Business Deductions You Cannot Take
      • Depreciation
      • Small Business Tax Deductions Themes
      • Value of a Business Tax Deduction
      • Deductions the IRS Cannot Stand
      • Automobiles and LLCs, S Corps
      • Business Owned Automobile
      • Section 179 and Bonus Depreciation
      • You Own the Automobile, Get Reimbursed By The Mile
      • You Own the Automobile, Take Mileage Deduction
      • You Own the Automobile, Lease Back to Your Company
      • Automobile Decision Tree
      • Home Office Deduction
      • Tax-Free Rental of Your Home
      • Tax Home
      • Business Travel Deduction
      • Deducting Business Meals
      • Sutter Rule
      • Cohan Rule
      • Capital Leases versus Operating Leases
      • Putting Your Kids on the Payroll
      • Educational Assistance with an S-Corp - Section 127
      • Summary of Small Business Tax Deductions
      • Business Tax Return Preparation
      • Comingling of Money
      • Reducing Taxes
    • Chap 12 - Retirement Planning

      • Retirement Planning Within Your Small Business
      • Self Employed Retirement Plan Basics
      • Retirement Questions to Ask
      • Tax Savings and Tax Deferrals
      • Using a 401k in Your Small Business Retirement Options
      • The Owners-Only 401k Plan
      • Having Staff with a Solo 401k Plan
      • Self-Directed 401k Plans
      • Company-Sponsored 401k Plan
      • 401k Plan Safe Harbor Provision
      • Roth 401k Plans
      • Roth 401k Versus Traditional 401k Considerations
      • Two 401k Plans
      • Rolling Old 401k Plans or IRAs into Your Small Business 401k Plan
      • 401k Loans and Life Insurance
      • 401k Plans and Roth IRA Conversions
      • Turbo Charged 401k Plans
      • SIMPLE 401k
      • SEP IRA
      • SEP IRA, Roth IRAs and the Roth Conversion
      • Controlled Groups
      • Owner Only 401k Plans in MMLLC Environment
      • Spousal Attribution and Controlled Groups
      • Non-Qualified Deferred Compensation Plan
      • Exotic Stuff
      • Expatriates or Expat Tax Deferral Planning
      • Small Business Retirement Planning Recap
    • Epilogue

      • WCG Fee Structure
      • More About WCG
      • Consultative Approach
      • Core Competencies
      • No BS
      • Expectations of Our Clients
      • Final Words
    • Chap xx - Health Care

      • Disclosure and Updates
      • Gaming the HSA System
      • Health Care Summary
      • Health Savings Accounts (HSAs)
      • Long-Term Care
      • Multiple Employees
      • One Person Show or Husband-Wife Team, S Corporation
      • Section 105 Health Reimbursement Arrangement (HRA)
      • Section 125 Cafeteria Plans and Flex Spending (FSA)
      • Sole Proprietors and Single Member LLCs
    • Chap yy - Business Valuations, Sale, Exit Planning

      • Business Valuation Techniques
      • Buy-Sell Agreements
      • Deal Structure
      • Debt Service
      • Exit Plans, Succession
      • Purchase Price Allocation
    • Chap zz - Other S Corp Thoughts

      • 1099 Income as Other Income, No Self-Employment (SE) Taxes
      • Audit Rates and Risks with an S-Corp
      • Recap of S-Corps
      • Rental Losses with an S-Corp
      • Rentals Owned by an LLC Fallacy
      • W-2 or 1099-MISC That Is The Question
  • Expat and Expatriate KB

    • Expat FAQs

      • Are there any downsides to claiming the foreign earned income exclusion?
      • Are there exceptions to the bona fide residence or physical presence tests?
      • As an ExPat, do I need to file a State tax return?
      • Can I deduct mortgage interest paid on my foreign home?
      • Do I have to pass the same test each year?
      • Does voting through an absentee ballot mess up my bona fide foreign residency?
      • How do fluctuating currency values affect my taxes?
      • How do I handle my foreign rental property?
      • How do I qualify for the foreign earned income exclusion?
      • How do moving expenses affect my exclusion?
      • How do partial years work with the foreign earned income exclusion?
      • How do tax treaties affect my ExPat situation?
      • How does the foreign housing exclusion or deduction work?
      • If I am a self-employed ExPat, what taxes am I responsible for?
      • If I don't qualify for the housing deduction, can I still deduct expenses?
      • May I still make contributions to my IRA as an ExPat?
      • What amount can I deduct for foreign earned income exclusion?
      • What happens if my host country has a form of social security?
      • What is a tax home or abode, and how do they relate to each other?
      • What is considered foreign earned income?
      • What is foreign earned income exclusion?
      • What is the bona fide residence test?
      • What is the difference between foreign tax credit and deduction?
      • What is the physical presence test?
  • Rental Property KB

    • Rentals FAQs

      • Can I claim my residence as a rental, sell it for a loss and deduct the loss?
      • Can I deduct internet expenses?
      • Can I deduct my cell phone charges?
      • Can I deduct the taxes associated with public improvements?
      • Can I rent out half a duplex or a room in my house?
      • Do I need receipts for my rental expenses?
      • Do rental properties offer good tax sheltering?
      • How are repairs and improvements different?
      • How do I handle my foreign rental property?
      • How do passive loss limitations affect me?
      • I purchased a rental property last year. What closing costs can I deduct?
      • If I don't have any rental income can I still claim a loss?
      • If I move back into my rental, how does that work?
      • If my employer provides a cell phone, is that income?
      • Is depreciating my rental a good thing?
      • My rental sale was a huge loss. What can I do?
      • Rentals Owned by an LLC Fallacy
      • What are tax issues with an LLC owning a rental property?
      • What are the exceptions to rental activities?
      • What are the rules on a home office deduction?
      • What is active participation versus material participation?
      • What is considered rental income?
      • What rental property expenses can I deduct?
    • Real Estate Pros

      • Are rental activities always passive activities?
      • Are there downsides to the real estate professional designation?
      • Are there specific material participation tests for real estate professionals?
      • Do I need to group my rental activities together?
      • How do I record the hours spent as a real estate professional?
      • If I meet the 750-hour test, do I also meet the 500-hour material participation test?
      • What activities count and don't count?
      • What are some of the IRS tricks to deny my real estate professional designation?
      • What are some of the tax court cases for real estate professionals?
      • What are the general tests for material participation?
      • What is active participation versus material participation?
      • What is the definition of real estate professional?
      • Why designate myself as a real estate professional?
  • Other Tax Information KB

    • Audits

      • Can I ignore an IRS notice or claim I never received it?
      • How can I pay my taxes or my notice of deficiency?
      • How can I prepare for my face to face or interview field audit?
      • How do I appeal the collections of unpaid taxes?
      • How does a joint return get handled during an audit?
      • How does bankruptcy affect my unpaid taxes?
      • How much is interest and penalty on taxes owed?
      • How should I respond to an IRS notice or letter?
      • What are my chances of being audited?
      • What are some of the types of IRS notices and letters?
      • What can the IRS do if I don't pay my taxes- what is the collections process?
      • What causes or triggers an IRS audit?
      • What if I cannot pay my taxes?
      • What IRS publications deal with audits?
      • What is the appeals process?
      • What is the period of limitations for an audit?
      • What types of audits could I face?
      • Who can be with me at my IRS audit or conference?
    • Charitable Contributions

      • Are there ways to earmark money for an individual?
      • Do I need receipts for my donations?
      • Does deducting charitable contributions cause an audit?
      • How do I determine the value of my donation?
      • What are some of the donations I can deduct?
      • What are some other charitable deductions?
      • What are the limits of my donations?
      • Who qualifies as a charity?
      • Why give to charities?
    • Education, Tuition Deductions

      • Are Educational Savings Accounts Worth It
      • Are There Tax Breaks for Going to College
      • Are There Tax Savings When My Employer Pays for My Education
      • Can I deduct the cost of sports, games or hobbies while in college?
      • IRAs and Savings Bonds To Help With Higher Education Costs
      • What College Expenses Can I Deduct From My Income
      • What constitutes a full-time student for tax purposes?
    • Homes and Real Estate FAQs

      • Can I deduct the loss on my primary residence?
      • Can I deduct the taxes associated with public improvements?
      • Can I exclude the gain on my home sale?
      • How does a Federal Disaster affect my casualty loss?
      • My home was destroyed- what deduction can I take? How do casualty losses work?
      • The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act and Debt Cancellation
      • What are the rules on a home office deduction?
      • What is Cancellation of Debt? Is it taxable income?
    • Medical, Health Insurance

      • What are qualified medical expenses?
      • Why can't I deduct health insurance premiums?
    • Mortgages, Bad Debts

      • Can I deduct a bad debt on my tax return?
      • Can I deduct the loss on my primary residence?
      • Is cancellation of debt always taxable?
      • The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act and Debt Cancellation
      • What is Cancellation of Debt? Is it taxable income?
    • Recordkeeping

      • Are there specific records I need to keep?
      • Do I need receipts for my expenses?
      • How does proper recordkeeping affect my audit results?
      • How long do I have to keep records?
      • How should I maintain my tax records?
      • What are the requirements for mileage records?
      • Why should I keep tax records?
    • General Tax Questions

      • Can I deduct internet expenses?
      • Can I deduct my cell phone charges?
      • If my employer provides a cell phone, is that income?
      • Tax Brackets Misconceptions- Should I earn more money?
      • What is the marriage penalty and how does it affect our tax returns?
  • Small Business KB

    • Small Biz FAQs

      • Hobby Versus Business

        • 3 out of 5 Test
        • Hobby Versus Business Testing
        • Philosophy of Business Losses
        • Private Track Coach Deducts Business Losses for Eight Years, Court Says OK
        • WCG (formerly Watson CPA Group) Philosophy on Hobby Losses
      • Independent Contractors

        • Behavioral Control
        • Colorado's Criteria for Contractor Status
        • Employee or Independent Contractor
        • Employee or Independent Contractor Status
        • Financial Control
        • IRS Determination, Form SS-8
        • Misclassified Workers Can File Social Security Tax Form
        • Salespeople As Contractors
        • Sample Response to CO Unemployment Claim
        • Statutory Employee and NonEmployees
        • Tax Court's Checklist
        • Type of Relationship
      • LLC and S-Corps (superseded)

        • As a one-person show, should I still form an LLC? An S-Corp?
        • Automobiles and LLCs, S Corps (superseded)
        • Can I call my 1099 other income which avoids employment taxes?
        • Determining the S-Corp Payroll Amount
        • Estimated Tax Payments, Withholdings Issues for an S-Corp
        • How do I convert my LLC to an S-Corp?
        • How does an LLC or S-Corp's income affect my taxes?
        • If the S-Corp taxation is what I ultimately want, should I form an LLC or C-Corp?
        • Is there a way to avoid Self-Employment tax?
        • Should I convert my LLC to an S-Corp (Sub-S Election)?
        • Should I form an LLC with my spouse?
        • The S-Corp Grind, Operational Hassles
        • The Zero Dollar Paycheck
        • What are the operational hassles of an S-Corp LLC?
        • What is an Accountable Plan?
        • The Money Trail for S-Corp Elections
        • 185 Reasons NOT to S-Corp, Downsides to S-Corp Election
      • Can I call my 1099 other income which avoids employment taxes?
      • Can I deduct country club dues as a business expense?
      • Can I deduct internet expenses?
      • Can I deduct my cell phone charges?
      • Health Care Expenses, Premiums, HRAs, HSAs - Section 105
      • Hobby Versus Business Article
      • How can I avoid or reduce Self-Employment (SE) taxes?
      • If I am a self-employed ExPat, what taxes am I responsible for?
      • If my employer provides a cell phone, is that income?
      • LLCs and S-Corps
      • Retirement Planning within an S-Corp
      • S-Corp Hard Money Facts, Net Savings
      • Turn Your Vacation Into a Tax Write Off
      • What are tax issues with an LLC owning a rental property?
      • What are the rules on a home office deduction?
      • What business or corporate expenses can I deduct?
      • What do I do with a 1099-K?
      • What is the difference between a hobby and a business?
      • What is the difference between an LLC, S-Corp and a C-Corp?
      • Why can't I deduct health insurance premiums?
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feesBy Jason Watson, CPA
Posted Monday, October 23, 2023

Sales pitch alert! WCG CPAs & Advisors specializes in small businesses which have a small number of owners, and often just a one-person show. Did you know that 95% of all S Corps have only one shareholder, and 99% of all S Corps have three or fewer shareholders?

Common S Corp candidates and current clients for WCG are consultants, attorneys, financial advisors, insurance agents, physicians, chiropractors, doctors, surgeons, anesthesiologists, nurse anesthetists (CRNAs), real estate agents, contractors, photographers (the profitable ones), online retailers, FBA retailers and good ol’ fashion widget makers, among several others. We also have several medical groups and financial advisor teams operating multi-tiered entity structures.

The tax savings of an S corporation is not in dispute. But what does it cost to have tax preparation, payroll, tax planning and consultation done? Because small businesses are a core competency for us, we have created Business Advisory Services packages that includes the following-

A la Carte* Vail Telluride Aspen

2023 Tax Planning and Preparation

Streamlined Tax Planning, Tax Projection Worksheets $350 to $500
Annual Tax Reduction, Shifting and Deferral Analysis $350 to $500
Small Business Tax Deductions Optimization Included
Section 199A QBI Deduction Tax and Salary Optimization $300
Estimated Income Taxes (via increased payroll withholdings) Included
Business Entity Tax Return (Form 1065, 1120, 1120S) $1,500 starting
Individual Tax Return (Form 1040, joint filing), One Owner $800 starting
Expat / Foreign Income Calcs (Form 2555, FBAR, Form 8938) $300 to $500 Add-On Add-On Add-On
Tax Resolution, Audit Defense Varies As Req'd As Req'd As Req'd
Financial Planning, Calculations, Discussions $900 to $2,500 Add-On Add-On
Situational Tax Law Research (up to 3 hours annually) $750 to $1,000

Payroll and Accounting Services

Reasonable Shareholder Salary Calculation (RCReports) $500
Monthly Shareholder Payroll Processing (includes spouse, kids extra) $1,200
Employee Payroll Processing (bi-weekly, direct deposit) Varies Add-On Add-On Add-On
Annual Payroll Processing (W-2s, other filings, up to ten 1099s) Included
Accounting Services (bookkeeping + analysis... see below) Varies Add-On Add-On Add-On
Quarterly QuickBooks Consulting (QuickStart Launch) $250, $750 Add-On

Business Advisory Services

Consulting
Business Consultation, Periodic Business Reviews (PBR) $250 to $1,000 Annually Routine Routine
Complimentary Quick Chats (CQC) $250 to $500 Routine Routine Routine
CPA Concierge Services Varies Add-On Add-On
Interfacing with Lenders, Attorneys, Financial Planners $750 Routine Routine
Financial Analysis
Fractional Controller (monitoring 3rd party bookkeeping) Varies Add-On Add-On Routine
Quarterly Financial Statements Analysis, Comparisons $1,200
Annual Cash Flow Management and Analysis $1,500 to $2,500
Annual Budgeting, Forecasting, Goal Setting $750 to $1,000
Annual First Research Reports, Industry-Focused Consulting $350 to $600
Annual National and Metro Economic Reports $150
KPI Analysis, Benchmarking, Hot Sheets, Trend Analysis $500 to $1,500
Strategy and Maintenance
C-Level Financial Advice, Strategic Planning (Fractional CFO) Varies
Succession Planning, Ownership Changes Consultation $750 to $1,000 Routine
Annual Business Valuation $2,500 to $3,000
Annual Corporate Governance, Resolutions, Meetings $150 + filing fee
Annual Fee $4,320 $7,560 Custom
Monthly Fee $360 $630 Custom
(prorated based on onboarding date)

Custom! Unlike the modern day new car packages where you have to spend $8,000 for the moonroof, our Business Advisory Service plans can be customized specifically for you. The array above is simply a starting point. If you need more or less from us, let’s chat about it!

Tax Patrol Services

We also have Tax Patrol! This is a wonderful tax service for those who don’t need all the business advisory bells and whistles above, but from time to time want some love from an experienced tax consultant and business advisor. Have a quick tax question? Need to know the depreciation rules as you buy that new car? Wondering what your April tax bill is going to be in August? Tax Patrol is like ski patrol… you might not use it, but you sleep better knowing you have it.

A la Carte* Keystone Copper Breck
Individual Tax Return Prep (Form 1040, joint filing) $800 starting
Business Entity Tax Return Prep (Form 1065, 1120, 1120S) $1,500 starting
Streamlined Tax Planning, Tax Projection Worksheets $350 to $500
Estimated Tax Payments Calcs Included
Tax Resolution, Audit Defense NA Add-On Add-On Add-On
Complimentary Quick Chats (CQC) $250 to $500 Routine Routine Routine
Annual Fee $1,500 $2,100 $3,180
Monthly Fee $125 $175 $265
(prorated based on onboarding date)

The following are additional business services to get your venture launched and on the way. Some of these are teased out separately as one and done fees like formation and onboarding stuff.

Accounting, Payroll*

Monthly Accounting (bookkeeping + analysis) starting at $500 / month
Bi-Monthly Accounting (bookkeeping + analysis every 2 months) starting at $250 / month
Quad-Monthly Accounting (bookkeeping + analysis every 4 months) starting at $150 / month
Sales Tax, Personal Property Tax typically $75 / month, $150 / quarter
Employee Payroll (direct deposit, bi-weekly) 1 employee, $100 / month
2-5 employees, $175 / month
Fine Print: Accounting fees are based on 2 bank account with less than 250 monthly transactions but does not include the QBO fee from Intuit. Custom quote is available if you have a lot going on such as third-party integrations (POS, time billing system), accrual accounting method, extensive benefits packages and / or industry specific issues (e.g, job costing in construction).

Even Finer Print: Employee payroll can be added only if already using our Business Advisory Service plans above (e.g, Vail). Custom quote for more than 5 employees and a referral to therapy.

Formation

Articles of Organization or Incorporation, or Dissolution $625 + state filing fee
Initial Report (if required) $125 + state filing fee
Annual Report $350 + state filing fee
Employer Identification Number (EIN) Included
Single Member Operating Agreement (SMLLC) Included
MS Word Templated Bylaws Agreement (Corporations) Included
S Corp Election, Timely Election (made with formation) Included
Accountable Plan Included

Onboarding

Payroll Accounts Setup, Transfer, Closing $550 to $650 depending on state
Employee Data Transfer $25 per EE, >5
Accounting Setup or Transfer (Fractional Controller) Varies
QuickStart QuickBooks Setup and Support (90 days) $750
S Corp Election, Timely Election (within 75 days) $450
Late S Corp Election Back to January 2023 $600, $1,200 after Jan 1 2024
Examine Prior Tax Returns Included

Maintenance

 
Entity Relocation Package (payroll closure and opening, entity move) $800 (some are $1,050) + state filing fees
Address Changes w/o Payroll (IRS, State Dept of Revenue, Secretary of State) $250 + state filing fees
Address Changes with Payroll (above + state and local payroll agencies) $350 to $450 + state filing fees
Our entity relocation package includes closing your current payroll accounts, opening shiny new ones, moving your entity with the Secretary of State (if applicable) and updating addresses as necessary.

Speaking of address changes... these are tough. Basic address changes require IRS, State Department of Revenue and Secretary of State notifications. Address changes that include payroll add another level of complexity since departments of revenue are not the same as departments of labor, and there might be local or municipal agencies as well.

Advisory Services Fine Print

A la Carte

A la Carte fee ranges are approximates. 85% of our clients fit into these fee ranges, but there are outliers. We have a handful of clients with over 30 rentals; their individual tax return is north of $4,000. We also are assuming one state; if your business spans the galaxy then additional fees will be discussed with you prior to payroll setup or tax preparation. Typically each state or tax jurisdiction is around $250 to $350 for tax preparation since it affects both your business and individual tax returns (frankly, state apportionment is a pain in the butt, but it is our pain… and states, especially California and New York, are crazy about it).

Prorated Fees

Some more things to consider- when a partial year remains, our usual annual fee is pro-rated to not charge you for services you didn’t use (like payroll and consultation). However, a large chunk of our annual fee is tax preparation which is typically a built-in fixed amount of $2,300 (both business entity and individual tax returns) plus annual tax planning. Whether we onboard you in January, July or December, we have to prepare a full year tax return. This increases the monthly fee for the remaining months of 2023 but the monthly fee will later decrease in January of 2024 to reflect the amounts above. Yeah, we make it sound like 2024 is just around the corner.

Payroll Processing

We make very little profits on payroll processing… we offer it as a convenience to our clients. One throat to choke with a single call can be reassuring but if you want to run your payroll, go for it! Everyone thinks payroll is a piece of cake; write a check and done. Nope… we see a lot of mistakes being made by clients especially the handling of health insurance and HSA contributions since there are special rules for greater than 2% S Corp shareholders. Then again, we don’t mind fixing what was broken.

Tax Returns

You can prepare your own individual tax return as well… but the benefit WCG preparing both individual and business tax returns is that we slide things around depending on income limitations, phaseouts, alternative minimum tax (AMT), Section 199A deduction optimization, pass-through entity tax deductions (PTET), etc. Having our arms around both can yield some good tax savings!

Note: An individual tax return is what the IRS calls Form 1040 and refers to the entity filing the tax return (you, the individual, are the entity). However, a married couple are deemed to be one entity for the sake of an individual tax return. So, when we say we will prepare your individual tax return, it is meant to include your spouse in a jointly filed tax return.

Break-Even Analysis (does an S Corp make sense?)

Break-even analysis is based on our annual fee of $4,320. If an S corporation saves you 8% to 10% (on average) in taxes over the garden-variety LLC, then $4,320 divided by 9% equals $48,000 of net ordinary business income (profit) after expenses and deductions.

More sales pitch! Keep in mind that our fee of $4,320 includes your individual tax return which you might already be paying another tax professional to prepare. WCG has a handful of clients who are right at the break-even point of $48,000 but leverage an S Corp and our services to get tax preparation, tax planning and consultation.

You can always find someone to do it for less- we know that. At the same time, we have a vested interest in your success and provide sound tax and business consultation as a part of our service. Here is a link to our Periodic Business Review agenda that we cover throughout the year so our consultation to you is comprehensive-

wcginc.com/PBR

We also have written a webpage on end of year tax planning-

wcginc.com/EOY

And, to see our entire fee structure (transparency)-

wcginc.com/fee

No more shameless promotion… at least for a while.

Jason Watson, CPA, is a Senior Partner of WCG CPAs & Advisors, a boutique yet progressive tax,
accounting and business consultation firm located in Colorado serving clients worldwide.


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